If you spend your entirely life battling a word you're going to waste your life fighting. And not the good kind of fighting that brings awareness, the kind of chewing on the bars of the cage fighting that just bring constant turmoil to your life. Bring awareness is one thing. Brow beating your friends and implying malice because they don't agree with you.
To me, you've passed beyond bring awareness into a battle to be right. No matter what words are typed here, your wife was very upset and hurt. I hate to say this but life being what it is, she will be again. And people will be mean to your son. Because people suck.
You seem to want to win. What I've seen is a pick and chose of various explanations presented to you in a method of trying to disprove them all. Nobody said these were excuses or reasons for your permission. They simply said they were their reasons. You added the concept of 'defensive'. Many of those involved have said they are regretful that your family is hurting but they are not seeking your permission. Because that seems to be what this is all about. Permission.
You have stated you find other instances of derogatory speech (not necessarily about those will mental disabilities) satirical. I'm sure there's someone personally effected by those instances that finds such satire offensive. I will bring up South Park again. You said you don't find it always funny but you find it permissible satire. Is it satirical because it's so ridiculous? Or is it permissible because it's a cartoon? I find what is done in the few Vilification shows I've seen at the BLB to be complete ridiculous. If anyone watches that show thinking anyone on that stage is serious they are easily fooled.
You seem to imply malice in people's use of the word. People have repeatedly said their intent is humor and nothing is said with malice.
Think about this way. I am overweight. I have had people hang out of cars and call me Fat Ass. I have been told by people that I'm 'too fat to be wearing that'. And this is recently, not in school. I have watched friends make jokes like 'I went to the (S&M) floor and all I saw was naked fatties'. I have watched piles of vilification jokes about fat mothers and fat people. Some of them do hurt. Some of the flippant comments made by people I know about my weight have made me cry. Is it okay to make fat jokes because I'm fat and could just lose the weight and therefor it's my fault?
Yes, I do want people around me to think before they default to fat jokes. I want everyone around me to think before they go for any cheap laugh that just pokes fun at a physical aspect of someone. But humor is humor. Do I think no one should make fat jokes? Hell no. The rest of the world doesn't need my permission.
"You're mama's so fat she bends light." That right there is funny. Come on, it's a thinker even.
We laugh at the different. We laugh out of discomfort. We laugh at the ridiculous. We laugh because we are presented a twist of thought on something we recognize. Sometimes we don't laugh because we don't think it's funny.
I just don't find Stephen Colbert funny. I think he's this over-the-top clown and his jokes are obvious and tedious. I have friends that love his humor. I do not expect them to dislike his humor because I do. Even if he makes fat jokes. Which he does.
Humor is so very subjective. You have to just trust people's intent (which numerous people have stated regarding Vilification is not malice) and move on. If you want them to change their sense of humor you're going to fight a losing battle.
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Date: 2009-11-03 03:58 pm (UTC)To me, you've passed beyond bring awareness into a battle to be right. No matter what words are typed here, your wife was very upset and hurt. I hate to say this but life being what it is, she will be again. And people will be mean to your son. Because people suck.
You seem to want to win. What I've seen is a pick and chose of various explanations presented to you in a method of trying to disprove them all. Nobody said these were excuses or reasons for your permission. They simply said they were their reasons. You added the concept of 'defensive'. Many of those involved have said they are regretful that your family is hurting but they are not seeking your permission. Because that seems to be what this is all about. Permission.
You have stated you find other instances of derogatory speech (not necessarily about those will mental disabilities) satirical. I'm sure there's someone personally effected by those instances that finds such satire offensive. I will bring up South Park again. You said you don't find it always funny but you find it permissible satire. Is it satirical because it's so ridiculous? Or is it permissible because it's a cartoon? I find what is done in the few Vilification shows I've seen at the BLB to be complete ridiculous. If anyone watches that show thinking anyone on that stage is serious they are easily fooled.
You seem to imply malice in people's use of the word. People have repeatedly said their intent is humor and nothing is said with malice.
Think about this way. I am overweight. I have had people hang out of cars and call me Fat Ass. I have been told by people that I'm 'too fat to be wearing that'. And this is recently, not in school. I have watched friends make jokes like 'I went to the (S&M) floor and all I saw was naked fatties'. I have watched piles of vilification jokes about fat mothers and fat people. Some of them do hurt. Some of the flippant comments made by people I know about my weight have made me cry. Is it okay to make fat jokes because I'm fat and could just lose the weight and therefor it's my fault?
Yes, I do want people around me to think before they default to fat jokes. I want everyone around me to think before they go for any cheap laugh that just pokes fun at a physical aspect of someone. But humor is humor. Do I think no one should make fat jokes? Hell no. The rest of the world doesn't need my permission.
"You're mama's so fat she bends light." That right there is funny. Come on, it's a thinker even.
We laugh at the different. We laugh out of discomfort. We laugh at the ridiculous. We laugh because we are presented a twist of thought on something we recognize. Sometimes we don't laugh because we don't think it's funny.
I just don't find Stephen Colbert funny. I think he's this over-the-top clown and his jokes are obvious and tedious. I have friends that love his humor. I do not expect them to dislike his humor because I do. Even if he makes fat jokes. Which he does.
Humor is so very subjective. You have to just trust people's intent (which numerous people have stated regarding Vilification is not malice) and move on. If you want them to change their sense of humor you're going to fight a losing battle.