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lollardfish ([personal profile] lollardfish) wrote2008-02-21 07:32 pm

Debate vs. shouting

I find Clinton vastly more enjoyable when she's speaking rather than shouting. I hate her victory/losing speeches. I find Obama terrific at all times, but not so much more so than Clinton in this kind of setting. We have two good candidates.

[identity profile] neogrammarian.livejournal.com 2008-02-22 01:44 am (UTC)(link)
I have often wondered about this- hardwired sexism of sound tech. Any sound person can tell you that mikes pick up (and transmit) higher voices terribly. So I've wondered whether women shouting onscreen sounds comparatively worse to us than a man partially due to how it emphasizes the limitations of sound equipment. (Of course, there's our entire culture's aversion to women being loud that not one of us can entirely erradicate from our interpellated selves, but this sort of technological reinforcement interests me).

[identity profile] lollardfish.livejournal.com 2008-02-22 01:48 am (UTC)(link)
If she has a good sound tech, though, there are ways to improve such things. I'm not sure it's a question of tone as much as style and approach. I just think she's better at just talking rather than at commanding a crowd.

[identity profile] neogrammarian.livejournal.com 2008-02-22 01:49 am (UTC)(link)
oh, I totally agree (on both counts)- just something that interests me.

[identity profile] lollardfish.livejournal.com 2008-02-22 02:37 am (UTC)(link)
It's interesting though, listening to her tonight. When she gets into "stump speech" aspects of her answers to debates, she goes into a nearly monotone head voice. Obama goes into musical cadence in similar moments.

[identity profile] starcat-jewel.livejournal.com 2008-02-22 05:23 am (UTC)(link)
Oh, yes. I remember thinking this weekend when I was calling a dance that I needed to keep my voice in its lower registers. Surely any woman in politics has learned the same lesson; after all, "shrill" is one of the quickest sexist dismissals.

[identity profile] neogrammarian.livejournal.com 2008-02-22 02:28 pm (UTC)(link)
oh yes- any woman who regularly uses a mike learns that. However, for pols (in this case), I think it's a double-edged sword. Lower vocal registers = masculine, you know? And all too often it's one more nail in the "mannish" lady pol's coffin, I'm afraid. Ironic, given how many ppl like to listen to altos sing, or think "phone sex voices" are hot.

salt mines......

[identity profile] mizzlaurajean.livejournal.com 2008-02-22 01:45 am (UTC)(link)
Who keeps letting you out?


Okay just teasing.

But seriously if you are going to post instead of work the least you could do is talk about your baby and post pictures/videos and the like.

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[identity profile] lollardfish.livejournal.com 2008-02-22 01:49 am (UTC)(link)
I'm eating chicken!

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[identity profile] born-to-me.livejournal.com 2008-02-22 01:53 am (UTC)(link)
Not pie???

If you ever tell me you're coming to a music night I am going to make you pie. Just so you know.

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[identity profile] lollardfish.livejournal.com 2008-02-22 01:55 am (UTC)(link)
I do, I do like pie.
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[personal profile] guppiecat 2008-02-22 02:26 am (UTC)(link)
You can make pies out of chickens.

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[identity profile] lollardfish.livejournal.com 2008-02-22 02:31 am (UTC)(link)
That's so true. And they are so good.

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[identity profile] mizzlaurajean.livejournal.com 2008-02-22 02:03 am (UTC)(link)
did you salt your chicken?


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[identity profile] buttonlass.livejournal.com 2008-02-22 02:36 am (UTC)(link)
We didn't make the chicken silly. We bought it at the store already roasted.:)

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[identity profile] mizzlaurajean.livejournal.com 2008-02-22 02:46 am (UTC)(link)
Already roasted precludes salting?

Does this mean I've been doin it wrong? darn it.

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[identity profile] mizzlaurajean.livejournal.com 2008-02-22 02:46 am (UTC)(link)
Where's the video of the baby pulling himself up?

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[identity profile] buttonlass.livejournal.com 2008-02-22 02:47 am (UTC)(link)
I don't think we have one yet. But check email I sent you pics from the past two days.:)