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lollardfish ([personal profile] lollardfish) wrote2010-09-22 01:26 pm

Nico's diagnoses.

When Nico turned three in January, we passed out of early intervention and into the school system. We knew that the therapies would change (from our house to in school, from an hour a week per therapist to something shorter, from complete financial support to relative financial support for prescribed therapies/equipment), and they did. We wanted to give school, and Nico, and us, a chance to adjust before we considered additional therapies or interventions. Six months passed. The school program was fine, if not especially good at communicating with us, but Nico's speech and OT skills were not improving as rapidly as we might hope (despite ample evidence of good cognitive understanding) and his behavior (especially around eating, but not exclusively) was deteriorating.

So two things have happened. First, we went to a developmental pediatrician for an overall evaluation. At the time we were getting wild tantrums almost every hour, and while that's died down nicely since school started, the other issues remain critical. Second, we became friends with a family who are musicians, have two kids both slightly older than our two kids, and who we started to see around in multiple venues. J., the mom, is a highly-trained (PROMPT certified) speech therapist, who volunteered a new take on Nico's lack of sound production - speech apraxia. She's been working with him for a few weeks now, and already we are thinking about Nico's challenges entirely differently. Nico seems to be thinking about his motor planning for speaking, and eating, differently too, although progress will no doubt be slow.

I'm sort of irritated we and his therapists missed it, although it's apparently entirely typical that it happens. With a diagnosis of Down syndrome, one expects severe cognitive delays, so isn't surprised when speech doesn't come. And yet Nico understands complex language on a receptive level, and signs beautifully. When I told a friend who has a daughter with speech apraxia about the diagnosis, she asked, "does Nico usually just say the ends of the words?" as that's a very typical symptom. I said no, blithely, and talked about other symptoms. EXCEPT HE DOES, almost universally, when trying to say a word aloud, say the second half.

And so we have a new diagnostic piece and therapeutic approach to add to the mix. He's now working on speech in school, with J., and with a speech therapist in our HMO. The pediatrician is going to recommend a sensory eval with both OT and Speech experts as part of a feeding team, a gastrointerological (sp?) eval, a behavioral eval (mostly to give us tips), and then to start adding new pieces to the motor/PROMPT therapy that J. has already begun. We're to find a therapist (we have recommendations) that is trained in PECS to begin implementing that.

It's going to be a lot of work for all of us. Some of it isn't going to be covered, or covered fully, but I finally feel that we're on our way to understanding how Nico works and what we can do to up his chances of communicating successfully. So off we go.

[identity profile] kalmn.livejournal.com 2010-09-22 08:06 pm (UTC)(link)
http://www.nidcd.nih.gov/health/voice/apraxia.html for more about apraxia.

diagnoses are a wonderful thing. i mean, hard, but at least then you know what you're working with.

[identity profile] lollardfish.livejournal.com 2010-09-22 08:10 pm (UTC)(link)
Yeah, that's a good link for the general issue.

[identity profile] minnehaha.livejournal.com 2010-09-22 09:02 pm (UTC)(link)
Real question: whose job is it to make this diagnosis?

K.

[identity profile] mizzlaurajean.livejournal.com 2010-09-22 09:13 pm (UTC)(link)
I think the speech therapist he was seeing should have been able to recognize it and if not treat it then refer him to a specialist specialist.

At any rate I'm glad things are finally on track.

[identity profile] lollardfish.livejournal.com 2010-09-22 10:46 pm (UTC)(link)
Well, ultimately the developmental pediatrician is being consulted to be the holistic guy - to look at the whole child and his development and think about what's being done and what isn't being done and what should be done and report. For the apraxia diagnosis, for example, one might have wanted our EI speech therapist to do it, but it was reasonable for Nico (because of DS) to be seriously non-verbal for his first few years. We might have wanted our school speech person to do it, but she may not have enough contact yet, or might not have had the right training.

Anyway, it was the feeling that we were missing things that led us to the developmental pediatrician, and then J. magically appeared in our lives to help sort it out. Our primary pediatrician, school therapist, or non-specialist therapist might well not be able to recognize such things. Even our endochrinologist or ENT, both of whom are concerned with development and are really sharp, don't really have the same expertise as the developmental guy.

I wonder what Dr. Stella thinks ...

[identity profile] minnehaha.livejournal.com 2010-09-22 11:44 pm (UTC)(link)
The cast of characters in Nico's life is so complicated that I lost track. Thank heavens for such a specialty as the developmental peds guy, and the magical J.

K.

[identity profile] lollardfish.livejournal.com 2010-09-23 12:08 am (UTC)(link)
Yeah. We LIVE it and we lose track. I'm frankly startled we don't miss more things.

[identity profile] porphyrin.livejournal.com 2010-09-23 06:48 pm (UTC)(link)
First, I think any child with chronic medical issues deserves a medical home, and a person-- be it general pediatrician or subspecialist in developmental pediatrics-- to do the medical overview and 'holistic' medical care. I'm really glad to hear that Nico has such a person.

Second, I always worry about services through the school system after the age of 3. Most of the speech therapy and OT becomes 'indirect' therapy rather than one on one interactions, and the high caseloads carried by most PT/OT/Speech people who work for the school district makes it impossible to do more than the most cursory, "Well, he's not talking but he DOES have DS..."

A private therapist often has more time to think about the individual child instead of looking and saying, "Yep, DS." I strongly believe in using the private as well as public options here.

Third, every child with a chronic condition needs parents who pay attention and advocate for them. Not every child has this. I am delighted beyond words that Nico does-- and I love you guys in part because of how much you do for Nico, and what fantastic parents you are. (more next)

[identity profile] porphyrin.livejournal.com 2010-09-23 06:50 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm going to be sending you something via email that I want you to consider having the developmental pediatrician fill out with you, that you can keep at home and use as a touchpoint for each specialist so that they all know what's going on.

[identity profile] lollardfish.livejournal.com 2010-09-23 07:11 pm (UTC)(link)
Thanks much. We're not thrilled with school in terms of what it's doing for Nico therapeutically. Other ways it's fantastic (socially, giving him schedule, etc.).

[identity profile] creidylad.livejournal.com 2010-09-24 02:51 am (UTC)(link)
"Most of the speech therapy and OT becomes 'indirect' therapy rather than one on one interactions, and the high caseloads carried by most PT/OT/Speech people who work for the school district makes it impossible to do more than the most cursory, "Well, he's not talking but he DOES have DS..." " -- I think this very much depends on where you are, and the district. This does not at all apply where we are, but then, we're very grateful for and very aware that we're lucky to have such an awesome district, and that we're in NY which has fantastic laws/guidelines for services. Just over the border in CT and we'd have almost nothing.

[identity profile] minnehaha.livejournal.com 2010-09-22 11:45 pm (UTC)(link)
That sounds right to me, but I don't know beans about speech therapy.

K. [despite having been in it]

[identity profile] sleigh.livejournal.com 2010-09-23 12:41 pm (UTC)(link)
It's a shame that the diagnosis was so long delayed, but good that it's been finally made and you're seeing good results from it. May they continue!

[identity profile] creidylad.livejournal.com 2010-09-23 10:41 pm (UTC)(link)
PECS is an awesome system. The more it saturates your life, home, etc., the better. Is Nico very visual? Fortunately for us, Gwen is, so responded tremendously to having a visual communication/guide system.

Also I am told that there is a program (I think for the iPad?) that uses the PECS visual symbols in a way where the kids can hit them and have it produce speech... I'll try to root out my reference for that and pass it on.

One thing to ask the therapists is whether Nico is a good candidate for an augmentative communication device a la the Dynovox, PRC Vantage or similar.

[identity profile] creidylad.livejournal.com 2010-09-23 10:47 pm (UTC)(link)
...because, I am going to say this and it may not be what you want to here, apraxia is HARD. A lot of kids with it, with intervention, talk normally by the time they are 5. This requires a lot of work, and it's work Nico may not be able to do at the same speed as the typical apraxia pattern. We are totally there because Gwen's apraxia is especially severe; Nico may be there for other reasons, and waiting for the apraxia to correct until the age of 8 or 10 or whenever may just mean waiting too darn long, which is why I am suggesting the augmentative communication idea.

Though to play Devil's Advocate with myself, an AC device is just one more thing for Nico to have to learn; you may have better luck instituting ASL, but that assumes that everyone he is going to want to communicate with from now until his apraxia corrects is going to be able to understand ASL.

I'm clearly not an expert and I bow to the experts, but I wonder how many experts there are out there in the field of DS/apraxia mixed...

[identity profile] creidylad.livejournal.com 2010-09-23 10:50 pm (UTC)(link)
And btw, the school should totally be able to implement PECS there, as well. You might want to ask to see if they are already using some aspect of it and are willing/able to push it with Nico/in his class more.

[identity profile] lollardfish.livejournal.com 2010-09-24 12:25 am (UTC)(link)
Nico has, to varying degrees of clarity, somewhat around 100 signs. Maybe more if you could all the letters, for example (he can probably do 20 of them to some degree).

We have the device pictured here (http://www.amdi.net/store/communicators-1/tech-series/tech-speak-1/tech-speak-4x32-bgch.html), bought for us via E.I. I mostly hate it. I want either something much higher tech (including the I-touch option) or much lower tech (pictures printed out). Part of the problem is that we got the device and then EI ended and we had new therapists and they didn't buy-in. Also, they weren't trained in PECS.

The doctor says he'd like to start with PECS and make sure we get Nico into the idea of a picture being a symbol for a thing he wants to say, then we can discuss more complex devices. I would be surprised if a device isn't in his future.

J. says that all these signs are good, but since he's not deaf, he won't be living in deaf culture, and signs are dependent on the other person knowing sign. Also, once you sign, the sign is gone, but the child may think he/she has communicated and not understand why the result isn't there. Whereas a picture can just sit there.

And yeah, once we have a full set of diagnoses, recommendations, medical team set up, etc ... it'll be time for a new IEP for the school.

Also, your input is so helpful to me. Thanks.

[identity profile] creidylad.livejournal.com 2010-09-24 02:36 am (UTC)(link)
Good good! You will continue to receive my random input as I think of it :)

Remind me to growl at you sometime about the year we lost on the AAC device due to a non-buy-in of one particular therapist. Ugh.

[identity profile] creidylad.livejournal.com 2010-09-24 02:48 am (UTC)(link)
Also, I suspect J is spot-on about the signs. It's a dicey situation; now that Gwen is 8 and is very self-conscious about social issues and rejecting the AAC somewhat (which is even frustrating on a social level as the other kids were drawn to hang out with her because she has had the AAC), she still falls back on some signs. 'Play' also means 'plain' like, 'I want a plain bagel.'

But the trouble was also what J said; when she was younger she'd gallop up to you, sign something, then gallop off, oblivious as to whether you were looking or not because she refused to make eye contact. It made signs extremely frustrating, so we just didn't push them.

[identity profile] buttonlass.livejournal.com 2010-09-24 02:51 am (UTC)(link)
I am all over this system of picture representation! I had just showed this page to David literally, two days ago.:) I would much prefer for Nico to carry a less expensive, less bulky, more intuitive thing like an iPhone or iPad than a device of lower tech and more expense.

What I've been trying to figure out is if you can add symbols to this system. Because we do have the Boardmaker cd's and some other things that work with it.

[identity profile] creidylad.livejournal.com 2010-09-24 03:16 am (UTC)(link)
I've been reading the reviews at the iTunes store; if you look in the expanded reviews, there is one 4-star review by '80sgal1' that you might find helpful; she speaks of the limitations and also seems to be coming from the POV of having a son with DS.

Years ago, Christopher and our friend Scott were dreaming about trying to develop an ACC just like this; it's still in the early stages of development, but looks pretty robust for what it offers, though as the lady says, not as flexible as she might like, others say it is 'easy to program.'

[identity profile] buttonlass.livejournal.com 2010-09-24 02:48 am (UTC)(link)
We do practice ASL with Nico but we also were already evaluated once for an AAC device.

The issue with DS/apraxia is one of expectations. From what I've been reading the diagnosis of apraxia in our kids is a relatively new phenomenon because people tended to assume the delay was cognitive not motor. No one expected children with DS to speak well so no one pushed it when they didn't. We're lucky in this, as with so many things, because of progress in the field of DS research.

[identity profile] buttonlass.livejournal.com 2010-09-24 02:22 am (UTC)(link)
I'm just catching up so bear with me please.:)

Oddly, children with DS are often much stronger visual learners than other ways. Some research has been done into the possibility they have a higher rate of photographic memory than other populations. So pictures are good.:)

[identity profile] creidylad.livejournal.com 2010-09-24 02:39 am (UTC)(link)
That is awesome! It's great that we live in an age that not only understands but actively researches differentiated learning approaches. PECS is a great system for the highly visual; your therapist is right about taking the symbols-mean-things approach slowly.

We were ever so grateful to have a PECS food binder when Gwen was in preschool. Not all of the little velcro-attached icons in it were PECS; some of them were photographs or other pictures of the foods she was used to getting, so that she could tell us what she wanted; it saved us a lot of horror and tears, especially when we had to change up her diet and take her gluten-free for a little while while her stomach was recovering from 2+ years of antibiotics.